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A quid pro quo with Taliban?

 https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-business-taliban-islamic-state-group-united-states-0f386a9d22bafa86601c8a6251b02bc6

The Taliban is not going to be recognized as legitimate by
the democratic west until it has free contested elections
- and their position is that democracy is incompatible
with Islam.      So recognition is incompatible with
western democracy.

Humanitarian aid has to be carefully managed to make sure
it supports the people rather than the Taliban.

#PS1afghanistan

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Neither GOP nor Democrats want to publicize their mistakes
about Afghanistan.        An independent commission will
be required to obtain a credible analysis.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/afghanistan-general-austin-miller-testimony/2021/09/17/cb14c90e-1711-11ec-a5e5-ceecb895922f_story.html

It would probably find that Trump and Biden were right
to leave as soon as possible, and Obama should have left
no later than the death of bin Laden.      But any exit
would have a chaotic finale - that part was unavoidable -
since there was no way to begin a mass evacuation without
provoking that chaotic finale as the Taliban saw victory
at hand.     So to avoid getting dirty, Obama left the
dirty work to Trump, and Trump left it to Biden.

 https://www.facebook.com/politicalscrapbooknet/posts/1480548662289648

But it's doubtful any lessons will be retained.  It seems
that collectively, nobody learned a thing from Vietnam
- figuring out in advance what's the goal, what's the
definition of success, what's the definition of failure,
what's the exit strategy.     There's always a new
generation of leaders who think they are smarter than
their predecessors.

The funniest response comes from Trump, who thought Robert
E Lee would have led the US to victory in Afghanistan.

 https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-general-lee-statue-afghanistan-civil-war-1222487/

Of course the modern Robert E Lees would, as he did,
take the side of repelling a foreign invasion aimed at
destroying a traditional culture, and thus are leading the
Taliban in their defense of minority rule.  One difference
is that the Taliban don't seem to have slaves, unlike the
Islamic State.  The Taliban goal of defending minority
rule, and restoring a golden age that never really existed,
isn't really that much different from Trump and his GOP
enablers.

The Taliban kept part of their deal - they didn't attack
retreating Americans.       America kept the corresponding
part - and left by Sept 1 as promised.    As expected,
the Taliban are not keeping any of their other promises,
but it is surprising that they are not even trying to
maintain a facade in order to retain foreign aid and access
to currency reserves.

 https://apnews.com/article/business-afghanistan-kabul-taliban-e44d8521940021e4e7ab11d3898978b5

 https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-afghanistan-womens-rights-kabul-taliban-eee5a8c73dd5d58acfda008582ef77bb

 https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-california-immigration-taliban-18b3c63cd7724707f86ba9d883d7c27b

So the United States doesn't owe them anything.

Fighting is the only skill most of them have.     How long
will they be content with police duty?       Who can offer
them the thrill of jihad martyrdom?

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/19/afghanistan-taliban-fighters/

Since al-Qaeda and Islamic State will probably continue
to thrive in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Congress needs to
decide whether we will take pro-active steps against them
such as drone attacks, accepting the inevitable civilian
casualties.

If so, then Congress should declare war against those
non-state entities - a new concept for a new era.

But will Congress ever take responsibility for anything
ever again?    So much easier to let the president
take his chances and make his mistakes, particularly
if you're not of his party, so you can take pot shots
at how much better you would have run things, without
ever having to risk being held responsible for any actual
consequences.      That's what a do-nothing Congress gets
you, an overreaching executive and judicial legislation.
There's nothing a do-nothing Congress likes to do more
than passively criticize an overreaching executive and
judicial legislation.

 https://www.political-scrapbook.net/2020-congress.html

#PS1afghanistan

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/afghanistan-general-austin-miller-testimony/2021/09/17/cb14c90e-1711-11ec-a5e5-ceecb895922f_story.html

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Positive feedback loops in Afghan tribal politics.

A catastrophic endgame might have been more or less
inevitable in Afghanistan.   In its bitter internal feuds,
losing is often fatal.

 https://apnews.com/article/europe-race-and-ethnicity-taliban-e51255ff3d954e8f95bea4dc1c209b32

So everybody keeps a close eye on who the likely winner
will be, and switching to the winning side is accepted
practice, and it can seem like it happens almost overnight.
It was no different in Kipling's time -

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Would_Be_King_(film)

and perhaps for thousands of years.      A westerner walked
alone and unarmed across Afghanistan at a very dangerous
time in 2002 -

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Places_in_Between

The interesting point here is that no Afghan could have
done the same thing - he would have encountered some of
his traditional enemies who would have killed him.

So once the tide turns, it's a Bay of Fundy sweeping
up everybody in its path.      That is why no orderly
long-term withdrawal of thousands of civilians could
happen - it would not be lost on the combatants that the
west was really leaving for good.    Once the Taliban
took a couple of vulnerable provincial capitals with no
effective response from the west or the central government,
the others fell like dominoes, and what was supposed to
be slow and orderly became a maelstrom.

At huge cost, the US could have taken over the defense
of the entire city of Kabul to facilitate the evacuation
there, but the problem of Taliban checkpoints and killings
would just move further out, and our friends in the rest
of the country would still be in grave jeopardy.

Like other Afghan alignments, the Taliban is a patchwork
of diverse interests, all ethnic, some theological, some
political, some economic.    The most recent converts
are the least ideological and most opportunistic.
What leadership there is seems to have no collective plan
for how they are going to solve Afghanistan's problems,
except for killing anybody that opposes them.      So some
talk of amnesty and forgiveness, while others are killing
for revenge in the traditional way.      The internal
contradictions of this patchwork might eventually fray,
and if they do, there might well be a sudden switch of
sentiment to the next big thing, whatever it might be.

 https://apnews.com/article/business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-kabul-taliban-d036db0b190acba68087f3d46ffae146

The evacuation could have been done better, no doubt,
but it was not going to be clean or pretty.      But the
collapse of Saigon in 1975, while doing no credit to Gerald
Ford or the GOP, was not his biggest problem in 1976 with
Reagan or Carter - it was the economy.

Of course, Trump and Pompeo have NOTHING to do with the
disaster - at least nothing they remember now.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/19/trump-afghanistan-withdrawal-criticism/

What, exactly, would they have done differently to obtain
a better outcome at an acceptable cost?

#PS1afghanistan

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