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Trump is not on trial! 2021-02-11 24 4 3 impeachment
Trump doesn't need lawyers that won't fight for him! 2021-01-30 38 6 2 impeachment
How much time does this trial need? 2021-01-28 7 - 1 impeachment
Should Trump be allowed back on Twitter to defend himself 2021-01-26 25 2 1 impeachment
45 SENATE REPUBLICANS VOTE TO LEGALIZE INSURRECTION! 2021-01-26 56 12 4 1 impeachment
"Republican senators are balancing the demands of 2021-01-25 11 - impeachment
Is disqualifying Trump for 2024 the best plan? 2021-01-15 20 - 2 impeachment
Mitch is right! Keep Trump on good behavior with 2021-01-15 24 2 1 2 impeachment
Why does it need to take so long? Why couldn't the 2021-01-08 20 - 1 1 impeachment
"I heard you paint ballots" 2021-01-03 80 13 3 3 20 1 impeachment

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57-43

43 Republican senators voted for insurrection and can
trade their copy of Profiles in Courage for Franz von
Papen's biography -

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Papen

7 voted for the Constitution - Burr, Cassidy, Collins,
Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, Toomey.

 https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-capitol-siege-riots-trials-impeachments-b245b52fd7d4a079ae199c954baba452

5 are going to need a new political home; Burr and Toomey
are retiring.

43 are safe from the Trump base - until Trump sets the next
loyalty test, which will be harder.    As von Papen could
testify, their moral degradation and public humiliation and
historical censure is just beginning.   One ex-president
not convicted; 43 senators convict themselves.

Now that the trial is over, can Trump muzzle himself?
Not likely -

"another phase of the greatest witch hunt in the
history of our Country... our historic, patriotic and
beautiful movement to make America Great Again has only
just begun"

 https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/02/13/full-text-of-trumps-statement-on-impeachment-acquittal/

He'll claim complete exoneration even though he got off on
a convenient technicality of dubious validity.   And his
base will agree.

Republicans were eager to get the trial over in order
to get back to their main order of business, which is to
block Biden at every turn.

But their return to deficit hawking probably will not
include sending the National Guard home or tearing down
the new fence around the Capitol.  They know the next mob,
like the first, will consider everybody in the Capitol to
be their enemy.

Sasse and Haley and Hogan already said they're putting
their 2024 hopes on NOT being Trump.   Do they think they
can get the donors and then the voters?

But what about Hawley, Cruz, Pompeo, Pence, Don Jr, Tucker
Carlson, and all the rest that thought they could inherit
the Trump base in 2024?    Do they think they can get the
voters and then the donors?   What's their next gig?

What's YOUR next gig?  https://www.dscc.org/

#PS1impeachment

 https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-capitol-siege-riots-trials-impeachments-b245b52fd7d4a079ae199c954baba452

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Trump is not on trial!

The law and the facts are clear and everybody knows it.
The outcome is clear and everybody knows it.  No need for
a trial of Trump.

What's on trial is Trumpism - rule by cult of personality
instead of rule by law - and all its enablers in the GOP
and collaborators in the media.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/11/republicans-are-out-excuses/

And most directly of all, of course, Republican senators,
who get to blacken their names to the shame of future
generations.      It's not law, or facts, or logic, or
fairness, or what would you have done if Obama had incited
resurrection.   When rich donors spend millions of dollars
sending them to the Senate and keeping them there, their
job #1 is staying in power to deliver to their donors.
That means surviving the next primary by appeasing the
Trump base, and surviving the next general by avoiding
the appearance of endorsing violent insurrection.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/11/lindsey-graham-fox-news-impeachment/

Impeaching their characters, and the character of Trumpism,
is the highest goal here.      There's no impeachment for
moral relativism but an antiseptic measure would be to
end unlimited dark money.

 https://www.political-scrapbook.net/democracy.html#corporate%20donations

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Votes for acquittal are votes for violence as a standard
tactic in American politics, just like the third world.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/11/stakes-trumps-trial-whether-gop-will-fully-denounce-political-violence/

In the James Bond thriller "From Russia with
Love", the SMERSH honcho justifies his elaborate
scheme by quoting some Russian predecessor to the effect
"it is not sufficient to kill a man, you must also
kill his reputation".      In the case of violent
Trumpism it's ONLY the reputation that matters.

 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/politics/trump-impeachment-trial-legacy.html

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As for punishment of Trump personally, that will work out
in state and Federal civil and criminal courts.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/02/11/trump-faces-tax-questions/

He might try to run again in 2024 even if he's broke and
in jail.      But he might have become old news by then -
like Sarah Palin - outshone by Marjorie Taylor Greene or
somebody worse.

 https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/for-donald-trump-sarah-palins-fall-shows-the-limits-of-media-obsession

#PS1impeachment

 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/politics/trump-impeachment-trial-legacy.html

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Trump doesn't need lawyers that won't fight for him!
Bring back Giuliani and Powell - they're not afraid of
being disbarred!       Trump will rebar them when he's
re-elected in 2024!

Or maybe Trump wants to defend himself in person in his
own words that his base will recognize - turn his trial
into a campaign rally and be as outrageous as he likes,
all to see which of the Republican senators are too weak to
be relied on and must be replaced by 2024.  Trump's allies
are showing the way to deal with weaklings -

 https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-censures-elections-impeachments-south-carolina-1fc2d4832b5c29746acb870f90a3292c

 https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-politics-iowa-d0d59ee3ef2b2bdd659ccc6a33afd255

 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-south-dakota-pierre-elections-9d222929b080274c98232f3fd2179f33

Trump can announce that in 2024 he'll pardon any strong
supporters convicted for Jan 6!   That'll excite his base.

 https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-politics-impeachments-trials-373faf83e36e5fd2e4be1bdf46b406ff

Why are they impeaching Trump instead of all those weak
governors, judges, Supreme Court justices, election
officials and legislators that refused to support Trump's
re-election and find all the fraud?

#PS1impeachment

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How much time does this trial need?

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/as-senate-prepares-for-a-speedy-impeachment-trial-some-are-urging-a-slower-more-deliberative-approach/2021/01/28/fe56430a-6178-11eb-9430-e7c77b5b0297_story.html

Everybody has already decided how they are going to vote,
same as last time.  The Republicans want a long drawn out
trial with lots of evidence and witnesses, not because
they will pay any attention - they were eyewitnesses! -
but to delay Biden's agenda and, they hope, rouse up the
Trump base again.

So an hour for the Georgia tape.  An hour for the Ellipse
speech.  An hour of highlights from the riot. An hour for
the vote.  Be done with it before the insurrectionists
can charter their buses.

Numerous Republicans predicted exactly what happened years
in advance!

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/28/who-could-have-predicted-capitol-siege-plenty-people/

They thought it was bad then, but now they've changed
their minds.

#PS1impeachment

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Should Trump be allowed back on Twitter to defend himself
during his impeachment trial?      It won't affect the
trial - 45 Republican senators made that clear today.
Can he resist the urge to self-incriminate by Federal
felony calls to violent action?    He'll have a harder
time running for president in 2024 if he's in jail after
a criminal conviction in a regular Federal court.

But it would be  like giving crack to an addict and telling
him not to take it!

#PS1impeachment

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45 SENATE REPUBLICANS VOTE TO LEGALIZE INSURRECTION!

All  out of fear of the Trump base.

 https://apnews.com/article/trump-impeachment-senate-eeff16bd40a4fe3b65b5efc9f1582289

They pretended it was about the constitutionality of
an impeachment trial, as if the founders intended that
a lame-duck president who committed high crimes and
misdemeanors be immune from punishment.   But nobody is
fooled.      These 45 will all vote to acquit, no matter
how much evidence and how many witnesses are produced.
They won't vote for censure or the14th amendment, either.
Do they think the next lynch mob will be able to tell
Democrats from Republicans?

No matter what good they might have done in the past or
might do in the future, NOTHING WILL ERASE THIS STAIN FROM
THEIR NAMES!

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/26/three-weeks-after-attempted-insurrection-senate-republicans-again-close-ranks-around-trump/

Because we already know the lesson Trump will take from
that - THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR INSURRECTION AND HE MIGHT
AS WELL BE BOLDER NEXT TIME.

No doubt Hawley, Cruz, Pence, Don Jr, Pompeo, Carlson,
and Haley are all disappointed that their dreams of glory
in 2024 are in tatters.        But they dare not say so to
anybody lest it leak and they reap the wrath of the base.

The best news for Trump is he doesn't need to set up
a Patriot or MAGA Party.    He's got the GOP from top
to bottom.

What's to become of those 5 lonely senators and 10 lonely
representatives who don't fit into the Trumpist GOP?

For the rest of us, it's time to look at regional
federalism!
 https://www.political-scrapbook.net/2020-regional.html

We already had a sedition caucus in the House.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/11/violent-mob-overran-congress-3-takeaways-weeks-ahead/

Now we have one in the Senate as well.

#PS1impeachment

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"Republican senators are balancing the demands of
deep-pocketed donors who are distancing themselves from
Trump and voters who demand loyalty to him"

 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-trials-impeachments-eeff16bd40a4fe3b65b5efc9f1582289

Their only hope is to dismiss the impeachment so they don't
have to choose between earning the judgment of history
by voting for insurrection or earning the judgment of the
Trump base by voting against Trump.

It's real simple - the majority of Republican voters think
that Trump, Cruz, Hawley, Giuliani, and the rioters DID
NOT GO FAR ENOUGH.     Are Republican senators with their
voters or against them?     Are there enough donors to
finance enough  lies to get them through their next primary
and their next election?

The right choice is obvious - how would they have voted
if Obama had been accused of the same thing?

Instead they pretend to be interested in the testimony and
evidence.    But they were eyewitnesses!   Most already
knew how they would vote before the insurrection even
happened.        Those that vote for insurrection or
for avoiding the issue should be censured by their state
legislatures and expelled by the Senate.

 https://www.approve-or-expel.net/

 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-trials-impeachments-eeff16bd40a4fe3b65b5efc9f1582289

#PS1impeachment

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Is disqualifying Trump for 2024 the best plan?

If convicted in the Senate, Trump could be disqualified, or
by application of the 14th Amendment.          That would
be a gift to unrepentant would-be successors like Hawley,
Cruz, Pompeo, Pence, Don Jr, Tucker Carlson, Nikki Haley,
etc, who need to get Trump out of the way without saying
it or voting for it.

 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/opinion/senators-trump-impeachment-republicans.html

The Trumpist Party will be around for a while, whether
it's called Republican or something else.     It's about
1/3 of the electorate.

 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/us/politics/trump-republicans.html

 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/opinion/trump-second-impeachment.html

Is it better to have Trumpism led by politically
incompetent Trump, who will continue to alienate as
many persuadables as possible,  or one of his abler,
bolder successors who are better at sweet talk to former
Republicans?      If Trump is able to credibly talk about
running in 2024, that might deprive the wannabes of media
and press attention, and more importantly, starve them
for campaign donors.       Trump's actual viability as
a candidate may turn on how his many criminal and civil
liabilities pan out.      He may be in court full time for
the foreseeable future, especially if he keeps Giuliani
in charge of his defense.   Let's hear it for incompetence!

So while a conviction after he's already out of office
would serve notice to future Trumpists, a symbolic
penalty like cancelling his pension might be wiser than
disqualifying him for 2024.

And as far as social media go, restoring Trump's Twitter
might be the best thing for the country -

 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/opinion/republicans-trump.html

since he has so many scores to settle with non-Trumpist
Republicans.

#PS1impeachment

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Mitch is right!   Keep Trump on good behavior with
uncertainty.

It's essential to avoid Trump still being president with
nothing left to lose.     And nothing left to lose is how
he'll be after he knows what the outcome of the Senate
vote will be, for or against.      The Trumpist senators
will drag out the trial as long as possible, maximizing
the risk.   So Mitch isn't saying how he'll vote, and he's
not telling others how to vote -

 https://apnews.com/article/biden-inauguration-donald-trump-capitol-siege-biden-cabinet-trials-a87675ac14ce32cf466e628ae4ac1908

and the trial won't begin until Trump is safely out of
office and Biden inaugurated.   They'll all say they want
to hear all the facts and arguments, but they already know
all that - they were eyewitnesses.       What they mean
is they need to hear from their donors before they know
how to vote.     So the outcome is far from certain.
 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-impeachments-capitol-siege-mitch-mcconnell-29ca8c7dff7943c3daf2952d4a809097

#PS1impeachment

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Why does it need to take so long?    Why couldn't the
House meet on Saturday and pass an impeachment resolution?
Why couldn't the Senate meet on Sunday and vote up or down?

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-impeachment-trump-mcconnell/2021/01/08/5f650ad0-520d-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html

It shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

What would they have done is Obama did any of these things?
Operation Warp Speed 10 then!      But now Republican
senators need time to return to their states and consult
with their donors to find out where they should stand.

The impeachment resolution could have a comprehensive
50-page list of impeachable offenses, or just one article
"Trump is a dangerous criminal and a jerk!"
and the votes for or against would be exactly the same in
both houses.      So further wordsmithing is pointless.
Likewise debate.   For evidence just replay the speeches
inciting riot and proposing fraud.

The vote might turn on what Trump says or does this week,
not on the text of the impeachment or evidence.  Last time,
Republican senators didn't need to read the impeachment or
hear evidence.       They just voted the way that seemed
best for them politically, as their donors instructed.
This time, it will be the same.

The important thing is to get the Republican senators to
vote up or down on the record instead of ducking the issue
as they have for five years.       If there are 67 votes
for conviction and removal then punishment must include
disqualification for any future Federal office per Art I
Sec 3.

Security must be literally bulletproof from now until the
Senate votes and Biden is inaugurated, whichever comes
last.     Trump's violent supporters are talking about a
big last stand and now we know that some of them mean it.
 https://www.theday.com/article/20210110/NWS13/210119965

Trump is not telling any of them to stay home.

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For the future - we need to do better but as a nation we
don't seem to be ready to be better.  Trump remains the
most admired man in America.
 https://news.gallup.com/poll/328193/donald-trump-michelle-obama-admired-2020.aspx

Regional federalism might be the only way forward.

 https://www.political-scrapbook.net/2020-regional.html

Having a quick way to get rid of an incompetent or corrupt
president would be prophylactic -

 https://www.political-scrapbook.net/2020-crises.html

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 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-impeachment-trump-mcconnell/2021/01/08/5f650ad0-520d-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html

#PS1impeachment

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"I heard you paint ballots"

If that isn't impeachable, then what is?

 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-call-georgia.html

 https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-a7b4aa4d8ce3bf52301ddbe620c6bff6

 https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/trump-demands-georgia-elections-official-overturn-his-defeat-in-hourlong-call/6MRGK445JNAGHBL2HXLZ3FIVZU/

 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia.html

Grounds for the 25th Amendment, too.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

This shouldn't be hard for Republican senators to figure
out.    All they have to do is ask themselves how they
would have reacted if Obama had done the same.

 https://www.political-scrapbook.net/2019-rep-sen.html

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 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

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